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sergeyal

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P.motoro ID.
« on: April 07, 2009, 11:30:23 AM »
Short tailed ,origin Peru.
 






can't find appropriate p/r number.
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 12:33:59 PM »
http://www.stingraysource.com/index.php/topic,15.0.html

there ya go man, all those rays out of peru are SOOOOOO messed up with p# it needs to be straightened out somehow...
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 01:01:36 PM »
as far as i understand the sp"Peru" probably belongs to p.orbignyi,
this one looks more like p.motoro (or maybe a hybrid) ,he have a short tail and thicker body.
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2009, 06:41:23 AM »
I believe P. sp "Peru" refers more to the rays that have the brown marbled/splotchy pattern... also sometimes mis-labeled 'Yepezi'...

The ray here in this thread is what some would call a Peruvian Motoro.. Potamotrygon sp. Motoro "Peru" .. ? it has alot of Motoro characteristics, but the ocellated rings of a classic motoro are just not present, but rather small orange spots.

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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 10:28:17 AM »
P. sp "peru" does also go to the non brown blotchy rays that come from peru with no possitive ID.... maybe in the next 20 years the ID's will become solid but i doubt it....cause unless somebody very rich puts the money up for some hardcore research it wont happen anytime soon...
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 08:37:15 PM »
Nic... I think it's time the hobbyist classified these rays themselves.  What do you think? :D

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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 02:02:55 AM »
good idea . :)

R.A.Ross refers in his book to
"important characters for species determination must be taken to be:
1.basic pattern of the dorsal body surface (not very significant, as highly variable)
2.the markings on the tail- in lateral as well as dorsal view...
3.form of the tail and cadual fin posterior to the poison spine
4.size and position of the eyes"

considering potamotrygon genera exept from black rays how one can use those criteria?

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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 03:59:25 AM »
I agree, Sergyal... using those identification methods can be very hard to determine a specific species of ray.  Most scientists now use internal methods of identification, like counting rows of teeth.  Obviously, this would be a very impractical method for hobbyist to use. 

It's not as if the hobbyist would be nominating species or mis-labeling scientific names, but rather putting a 'trade-name' on a specific type of ray.. I would base it more so on pattern, tail structure, eye structure, and most importantly, collection zone.  Many species of fish, especially variants, are named after their collection area.   For example, the P14 - Potamotrygon sp "Itaituba" acquired that name based on the city they were exported from.  A hobbyist member, Itaituba2003 *(Frank), is the one who nominated that name.. and it has definitely stuck!

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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009, 11:04:19 AM »
is there any peruan rays that named after specific collection area?
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 08:28:45 AM »
Not really... Problem is, alot of the Peruvian rays come from MANY locations so you cant just give it one..

Potamotrygon sp. "Peru - Tambopata or Tigre or ...."

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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 02:45:02 PM »
Not really... Problem is, alot of the Peruvian rays come from MANY locations so you cant just give it one..

Potamotrygon sp. "Peru - Tambopata or Tigre or ...."
Now i understand why it was hard to find a pair that looks similar from the same shipment.

I guess  extensive image library needed, in order group them by appearance and  locales .
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2009, 02:39:39 AM »
need another i.d on peruan ray.



true/false yepezy/histrix or just sp.Pery?
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2009, 04:23:53 PM »
I love my Peru ray, but due to the fact that I can not find a mate for her I will probably sell her.

There are just so many unidentified rays.
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 12:26:45 PM »
they so rare at your lfs?
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Re: P.motoro ID.
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 05:45:35 PM »
There are just too many varieties.
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